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Saturday, November 21, 2009Forums » Suggestions » Gearing suggestion:

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Lexxe

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Cenarion Circle

Gearing suggestion: | Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - 8:18 AM

I know people like to be geared. But how many people know what gear they want from where? I suggest that we implement a BIS sort of gearing style for the guild.

If someone wants to raid, they simply go find what their best in slot(BIS) is, and where they get it from, and post it on the forums. Now that we have what everybody wants from where we have the raid think more about what they're rolling on. Say you want that dagger from Iron Council ([Stormtip]) because its your best in slot weapon. Its not, say, a mages best in slot, but its better than what they have. We have a BIS roll, a Main Spec roll, and an Off Spec roll. That way, we will have people who are going to get it and stick with it till the next major raid is released, before we have someone else who might just replace it next time we come through here and theirs drops off of hodir, or whomever happens to drop their BIS weapon.

No, its not going to be completely fair to people who don't have it as their BIS, but It helps people get gear that they will use for awhile and keep it, as opposed to people getting gear and trashing it the next week cause something better came along.

We will start to see improvements alot quicker this way. If people start maxing out their gear, we can start to get to the end of our gearing spectrum, and we will have this place on farm. Then, as we recruit more people, we can run through all the bosses 1) quicker because we're gearing up to do more dps, 2) with less time wasted because everyone is going to have the gear they need. The only people needing to get gear would be someone we're bringing in randomly to bolster our raiding ranks.

It sounds kind of selfish to sit there and say 'well you can use it, but we're giving it to so and so because its their BIS' but in all honesty, its going to work in everyone's favor. If a healer wins a piece for BIS over a dps in one fight, that dps might have more luck the next fight because it has 2 BIS items for them that the healer could use, but its not their BIS.

Just a suggestion, but I have seen it work.

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Alelsa

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Cenarion Circle

Re: Gearing suggestion: | Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 11:36 AM

Theres still maybe two upgrades left for me in Uld 10, but my Best In Slot is way beyond that. However, unless the guild starts running the raids beyond Uld10, I don't get them. So BIS doesnt work for me - in order to actually get the gear I need, I need to be able to roll on stuff thats an upgrade, no matter how small it is.

Unfortunately, our current raiding system is based around getting people to make selfish decisions, as seen from your own post for ToTGC. Last week, I passed two upgrades from TOC to Aski that would have gotten me close enough to the 2500 gearscore, but were more suited to her than me. This week, I didn't get invited to TOC. By saying I need to hit the 2500 gearscore to apply, you're telling me I should have made a more selfish decision and not passed, in order to keep myself in a progression group.

So yes, on the one hand, what you're suggesting here is great, but *only* if raids can be organised in-guild in a better manner than they currently are, so people don't feel they *have* to be selfish.

I used to criticise the system my old guild had, but at least they understood that a group that raids together stays together and looks after its members, and progresses as a group, rather than as individuals. Perhaps if that was more widely understood here, systems such as BIS would work a lot better. As it is, we're currently driven to grab what we can when we can, because it might be the only chance we get, and the people that are more selfish with gear will end up in the progression raids.

Edited by Alelsa at October 31st, 2009 - 11:39 am

Chantail

Cenarion Circle

Re: Gearing suggestion: | Sunday, November 1, 2009 - 1:09 AM

to be honest, im not a fan of this whole BiS gearing thing, because lets face it, the game changes WAY too soon before you can even get half of it, and when if you happen to get it, grats, new content is out that you have to aim for better and have to figure out and plan out what your BiS is going to be then. In my opinion, if its an upgrade, its an upgrade, no matter what. when it comes to distributing loot, in my opinion, things should be distributed a little logically, i.e. clothies get first dibs on cloth gear (cause if i lose cloth gear to a holy pally just cause "its better than what i have" stfu, you have more opportunites for loots than us), hunters get dibs on ranged weapons (guns, bows, crossbows), and melee get dibs on weapons (if you need to know why, you shouldnt be raiding), and even gear that has hit for spell caster gear goes to dps first, after that, it comes down to beneficial reasons for gear for each class. cant tell you how often ive come close to losing gear because "it has spirit, its a healer item" and i have to link my molten armor tool tip and have a 5 minute argument with someone cause they lost the roll and cant accept it.

i have to agree with Alelsa on the new raid requirements were getting for stuff, 2500 gearscore and having to do naxx to try out? if were sitting in totc 10/25 gear and uld 25 gear (not equivalence from badges, but from the actual instance) it should be obvious that we know what were doing, and that if were wanting to make it guild runs,10 more raids than naxx needs to be open to guild, cause im pretty sure that some of the people we have sitting around doing thier own things, can benefit more from raids such as uld 10/25 more than some of us getting invites to it will (from my last uld 10 run with guild, 1/2 the gear obtained was DE'd and wasnt cause it was gear people couldnt use)

basically, to sum up what im saying, open up raids to more than maybe 12 people in guild, scrap BiS cause upgrades are upgrades (doesnt mean be greedy about loot, if you win something, let the next person grab the next loot, no matter what it is), and when it does come to looting, lets just be logical about it like i said, clothies get dibs on cloth and etc.

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